{"id":1822,"date":"2021-04-13T11:50:53","date_gmt":"2021-04-13T11:50:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/preview.codeless.co\/livecast\/default\/home-page-4-copy\/"},"modified":"2024-08-19T16:47:56","modified_gmt":"2024-08-19T16:47:56","slug":"home","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/peterandphil.com\/","title":{"rendered":"Home"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"1822\" class=\"elementor elementor-1822\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-92dee0e elementor-section-height-min-height elementor-section-content-middle elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-items-middle\" data-id=\"92dee0e\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-wider\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-104e5ee\" data-id=\"104e5ee\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9d4de25 elementor-widget__width-initial elementor-widget-tablet__width-initial elementor-hidden-tablet elementor-hidden-phone elementor-invisible elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"9d4de25\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-settings=\"{&quot;_animation&quot;:&quot;fadeIn&quot;}\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/peterandphil.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/elementor\/thumbs\/image-1-scaled-rk2us0dng40ha1desn1rrsunchxywxsgkl9j7xx8zu.jpg\" title=\"image\" alt=\"image\" loading=\"lazy\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-3d88a38\" data-id=\"3d88a38\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2c09973 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"2c09973\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Welcome to<\/p>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-88fa2b2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"88fa2b2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Peter &amp; Phil\u2019s Courageous Conversations<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0819ff4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0819ff4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>A phone call, prompted by George Floyd\u2019s death, brings two veterinarians from two different races together to discuss their perspectives on pivotal issues affecting America today. 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Recorded on Election Day (before the results came in), Peter &amp;amp; Phil talk through what polls can tell us, how to weigh claims about election integrity, and what a closely divided Congress could mean for governing.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The conversation widens to debates over Israel, Palestine, and Ukraine, and to the divisions in America&rsquo;s own history that still shape how we talk to one another. Join Peter &amp;amp; Phil as they ask what it takes to rebuild trust when we see the same events so differently.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;\n\">...<\/span><\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDuration___2I0Qb\">00:36:22<\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeCreated___1zP5p\">November 06, 2026<\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      \n        <div class=\"styles__episodeFeedItem___1U6E2 \">\n          <span class=\"styles__isActiveEpisode___cXlB4\"><\/span>  \n          <a class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-btn podcast-list-link styles__episodeImage___tMifW\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Trust-at-the-Ballot-Box-Americas-Elections-and-What-Comes-Next-e3rj0if\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" aria-label=\"Play Trust at the Ballot Box: America\u2019s Elections and What Comes Next\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net\/staging\/podcast_uploaded_nologo\/10979350\/10979350-1762502955980-72d00f28093fb.jpg\" alt=\"Trust at the Ballot Box: America\u2019s Elections and What Comes Next\">\n            <button class=\"styles__circle___1g-9u styles__white___372tQ styles__playButton___1Ivi4 styles__playButton___1uaGA\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"height: 31px; min-height: 31px; width: 31px; min-width: 31px; border-radius: 16px;\">\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-icon\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"-1 0 11 12\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\">\n        <rect width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M1 .81v10.38a.76.76 0 0 0 .75.75.67.67 0 0 0 .39-.12l8.42-5.18a.75.75 0 0 0 0-1.28L2.14.18a.75.75 0 0 0-1 .24.79.79 0 0 0-.14.39z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-pause-icon\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\" aria-label=\"pause icon\">\n        <rect x=\".03\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M8.45 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .72.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75h-1.8a.75.75 0 0 1-.75-.75V.75A.75.75 0 0 1 8.45 0zM1.78 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .75.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75H1.78a.76.76 0 0 1-.78-.75V.75A.76.76 0 0 1 1.78 0z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            <\/button>\n          <\/a>\n          <a class=\"podcast-list-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Trust-at-the-Ballot-Box-Americas-Elections-and-What-Comes-Next-e3rj0if\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" data-audio-url=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/4209bf18\/podcast\/play\/128598031\/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-10-2%2F435642085-44100-2-13adabd5509b6.mp3\" aria-label=\"Trust at the Ballot Box: America\u2019s Elections and What Comes Next\">\n            <div class=\"styles__episodeHeading___29q7v\">\n              <div>\n                <div>Trust at the Ballot Box: America\u2019s El...<\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/a>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDescription___C3oZg \">\n            <div class=\"styles__expander___1NNVb styles__expander--dark___3Qxhe\">\n              <div>\n                <div class=\"podcast-description\">What will it take to restore trust in America\u2019s elections? Ahead of the 2026 midterms, Peter &amp; Phil discuss <span class=\"podcast-description-show-more-btn\" data-full-description=\"&lt;p&gt;What will it take to restore trust in America&rsquo;s elections? Ahead of the 2026 midterms, Peter &amp;amp; Phil discuss voter intimidation, historical barriers to voting, election administration, and the influence of campaign money. They also ask whether Americans are better or worse off now, and reflect on how civic participation can help shape what comes next.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tune in and join the conversation.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;election integrity, voter rights, election administration, voter intimidation, campaign finance, civic participation, 2026 midterms, trust in government&lt;\/p&gt;\n\">...<\/span><\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDuration___2I0Qb\">00:44:38<\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeCreated___1zP5p\">October 30, 2026<\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      \n        <div class=\"styles__episodeFeedItem___1U6E2 \">\n          <span class=\"styles__isActiveEpisode___cXlB4\"><\/span>  \n          <a class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-btn podcast-list-link styles__episodeImage___tMifW\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Rethinking-Veterinary-Education-New-Models--New-Challenges-e3qnmed\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" aria-label=\"Play Rethinking Veterinary Education: New Models = New Challenges\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net\/staging\/podcast_uploaded_nologo\/10979350\/10979350-1762502955980-72d00f28093fb.jpg\" alt=\"Rethinking Veterinary Education: New Models = New Challenges\">\n            <button class=\"styles__circle___1g-9u styles__white___372tQ styles__playButton___1Ivi4 styles__playButton___1uaGA\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"height: 31px; min-height: 31px; width: 31px; min-width: 31px; border-radius: 16px;\">\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-icon\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"-1 0 11 12\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\">\n        <rect width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M1 .81v10.38a.76.76 0 0 0 .75.75.67.67 0 0 0 .39-.12l8.42-5.18a.75.75 0 0 0 0-1.28L2.14.18a.75.75 0 0 0-1 .24.79.79 0 0 0-.14.39z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-pause-icon\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\" aria-label=\"pause icon\">\n        <rect x=\".03\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M8.45 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .72.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75h-1.8a.75.75 0 0 1-.75-.75V.75A.75.75 0 0 1 8.45 0zM1.78 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .75.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75H1.78a.76.76 0 0 1-.78-.75V.75A.76.76 0 0 1 1.78 0z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            <\/button>\n          <\/a>\n          <a class=\"podcast-list-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Rethinking-Veterinary-Education-New-Models--New-Challenges-e3qnmed\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" data-audio-url=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/4209bf18\/podcast\/play\/127702925\/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-9-19%2F434475760-44100-2-f74a2850b298c.mp3\" aria-label=\"Rethinking Veterinary Education: New Models = New Challenges\">\n            <div class=\"styles__episodeHeading___29q7v\">\n              <div>\n                <div>Rethinking Veterinary Education: New Mo...<\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/a>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDescription___C3oZg \">\n            <div class=\"styles__expander___1NNVb styles__expander--dark___3Qxhe\">\n              <div>\n                <div class=\"podcast-description\">How is veterinary education changing, and what does that mean for tomorrow\u2019s veterinarians? Join Peter &amp; Phi<span class=\"podcast-description-show-more-btn\" data-full-description=\"&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How is veterinary education changing, and what does that mean for tomorrow&rsquo;s veterinarians? Join Peter &amp;amp; Phil as they explore new approaches to preparing students for life in practice.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From the distributive model, which brings learning into community practice settings, to problem-based learning that encourages students to work through real-world challenges, Peter and Phil discuss the possibilities and hurdles of doing things differently. They also explore accreditation and its role as veterinary education evolves.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whether you&rsquo;re a veterinarian, a student, an educator, or simply curious about the profession&rsquo;s future, pull up a chair and join the conversation.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\">...<\/span><\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDuration___2I0Qb\">00:41:02<\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeCreated___1zP5p\">October 16, 2026<\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      \n        <div class=\"styles__episodeFeedItem___1U6E2 \">\n          <span class=\"styles__isActiveEpisode___cXlB4\"><\/span>  \n          <a class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-btn podcast-list-link styles__episodeImage___tMifW\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/911--The-Day-Well-Never-Forget-e3puv4j\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" aria-label=\"Play 9\/11 : The Day We&#039;ll Never Forget\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net\/staging\/podcast_uploaded_nologo\/10979350\/10979350-1762502955980-72d00f28093fb.jpg\" alt=\"9\/11 : The Day We&#039;ll Never Forget\">\n            <button class=\"styles__circle___1g-9u styles__white___372tQ styles__playButton___1Ivi4 styles__playButton___1uaGA\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"height: 31px; min-height: 31px; width: 31px; min-width: 31px; border-radius: 16px;\">\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-icon\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"-1 0 11 12\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\">\n        <rect width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M1 .81v10.38a.76.76 0 0 0 .75.75.67.67 0 0 0 .39-.12l8.42-5.18a.75.75 0 0 0 0-1.28L2.14.18a.75.75 0 0 0-1 .24.79.79 0 0 0-.14.39z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-pause-icon\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\" aria-label=\"pause icon\">\n        <rect x=\".03\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M8.45 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .72.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75h-1.8a.75.75 0 0 1-.75-.75V.75A.75.75 0 0 1 8.45 0zM1.78 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .75.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75H1.78a.76.76 0 0 1-.78-.75V.75A.76.76 0 0 1 1.78 0z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            <\/button>\n          <\/a>\n          <a class=\"podcast-list-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/911--The-Day-Well-Never-Forget-e3puv4j\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" data-audio-url=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/4209bf18\/podcast\/play\/126892627\/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-9-5%2F433418222-44100-2-119fa4aa38045.mp3\" aria-label=\"9\/11 : The Day We&#039;ll Never Forget\">\n            <div class=\"styles__episodeHeading___29q7v\">\n              <div>\n                <div>9\/11 : The Day We&#039;ll Never Forget<\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/a>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDescription___C3oZg \">\n            <div class=\"styles__expander___1NNVb styles__expander--dark___3Qxhe\">\n              <div>\n                <div class=\"podcast-description\">Where were you on September 11, 2001, and how did that day change the way you saw the world? Peter &amp; Phil refl<span class=\"podcast-description-show-more-btn\" data-full-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Where were you on September 11, 2001, and how did that day change the way you saw the world? Peter &amp;amp; Phil reflect on their personal memories and the lasting impact of 9\/11, from our sense of safety to airport security and America&rsquo;s role abroad. Together, they explore what we&rsquo;ve learned, what we&rsquo;re still grappling with, and what it means to remember beyond the anniversary. &lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;\n\">...<\/span><\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDuration___2I0Qb\">00:28:13<\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeCreated___1zP5p\">October 01, 2026<\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      \n        <div class=\"styles__episodeFeedItem___1U6E2 \">\n          <span class=\"styles__isActiveEpisode___cXlB4\"><\/span>  \n          <a class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-btn podcast-list-link styles__episodeImage___tMifW\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/The-Politics-of-Revenge-What-It-Means-for-American-Democracy-e3p70k9\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" aria-label=\"Play The Politics of Revenge: What It Means for American Democracy\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net\/staging\/podcast_uploaded_nologo\/10979350\/10979350-1762502955980-72d00f28093fb.jpg\" alt=\"The Politics of Revenge: What It Means for American Democracy\">\n            <button class=\"styles__circle___1g-9u styles__white___372tQ styles__playButton___1Ivi4 styles__playButton___1uaGA\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"height: 31px; min-height: 31px; width: 31px; min-width: 31px; border-radius: 16px;\">\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-icon\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"-1 0 11 12\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\">\n        <rect width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M1 .81v10.38a.76.76 0 0 0 .75.75.67.67 0 0 0 .39-.12l8.42-5.18a.75.75 0 0 0 0-1.28L2.14.18a.75.75 0 0 0-1 .24.79.79 0 0 0-.14.39z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-pause-icon\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\" aria-label=\"pause icon\">\n        <rect x=\".03\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M8.45 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .72.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75h-1.8a.75.75 0 0 1-.75-.75V.75A.75.75 0 0 1 8.45 0zM1.78 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .75.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75H1.78a.76.76 0 0 1-.78-.75V.75A.76.76 0 0 1 1.78 0z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            <\/button>\n          <\/a>\n          <a class=\"podcast-list-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/The-Politics-of-Revenge-What-It-Means-for-American-Democracy-e3p70k9\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" data-audio-url=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/4209bf18\/podcast\/play\/126107721\/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-21%2F432394548-44100-2-8407cab32fb8b.mp3\" aria-label=\"The Politics of Revenge: What It Means for American Democracy\">\n            <div class=\"styles__episodeHeading___29q7v\">\n              <div>\n                <div>The Politics of Revenge: What It Means ...<\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/a>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDescription___C3oZg \">\n            <div class=\"styles__expander___1NNVb styles__expander--dark___3Qxhe\">\n              <div>\n                <div class=\"podcast-description\">Is revenge becoming the driving force behind American politics? In this episode, Dr. Phil Nelson and Dr. Peter Wei<span class=\"podcast-description-show-more-btn\" data-full-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Is revenge becoming the driving force behind American politics? In this episode, Dr. Phil Nelson and Dr. Peter Weinstein discuss what happens when political decisions are fueled by personal grudges, retaliation, and the desire to punish perceived enemies. From attacks on government institutions and public health to growing control over information and the media, they examine how these actions could affect everyday Americans and whether the country&rsquo;s democratic safeguards can withstand the pressure. They also look ahead to the upcoming elections and ask a sobering question: Where will America be by 2028 if the revenge tour continues?&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;\n\">...<\/span><\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDuration___2I0Qb\">00:37:20<\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeCreated___1zP5p\">September 17, 2026<\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      \n        <div class=\"styles__episodeFeedItem___1U6E2 \">\n          <span class=\"styles__isActiveEpisode___cXlB4\"><\/span>  \n          <a class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-btn podcast-list-link styles__episodeImage___tMifW\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Risky-Comedy-Could-Blazing-Saddles-Be-Made-Today-e3od3qj\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" aria-label=\"Play Risky Comedy: Could Blazing Saddles Be Made Today?\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net\/staging\/podcast_uploaded_nologo\/10979350\/10979350-1762502955980-72d00f28093fb.jpg\" alt=\"Risky Comedy: Could Blazing Saddles Be Made Today?\">\n            <button class=\"styles__circle___1g-9u styles__white___372tQ styles__playButton___1Ivi4 styles__playButton___1uaGA\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"height: 31px; min-height: 31px; width: 31px; min-width: 31px; border-radius: 16px;\">\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-icon\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"-1 0 11 12\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\">\n        <rect width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M1 .81v10.38a.76.76 0 0 0 .75.75.67.67 0 0 0 .39-.12l8.42-5.18a.75.75 0 0 0 0-1.28L2.14.18a.75.75 0 0 0-1 .24.79.79 0 0 0-.14.39z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-pause-icon\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\" aria-label=\"pause icon\">\n        <rect x=\".03\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M8.45 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .72.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75h-1.8a.75.75 0 0 1-.75-.75V.75A.75.75 0 0 1 8.45 0zM1.78 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .75.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75H1.78a.76.76 0 0 1-.78-.75V.75A.76.76 0 0 1 1.78 0z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            <\/button>\n          <\/a>\n          <a class=\"podcast-list-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Risky-Comedy-Could-Blazing-Saddles-Be-Made-Today-e3od3qj\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" data-audio-url=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/4209bf18\/podcast\/play\/125259027\/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-5%2F431258391-44100-2-c4105eeda44aa.mp3\" aria-label=\"Risky Comedy: Could Blazing Saddles Be Made Today?\">\n            <div class=\"styles__episodeHeading___29q7v\">\n              <div>\n                <div>Risky Comedy: Could Blazing Saddles Be ...<\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/a>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDescription___C3oZg \">\n            <div class=\"styles__expander___1NNVb styles__expander--dark___3Qxhe\">\n              <div>\n                <div class=\"podcast-description\">Could Blazing Saddles be made today or would it be canceled before the cameras even started rolling?In this episod<span class=\"podcast-description-show-more-btn\" data-full-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Could &lt;em&gt;Blazing Saddles&lt;\/em&gt; be made today or would it be canceled before the cameras even started rolling?&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Peter and Phil take a look at Mel Brooks&rsquo; comedy classic and use it to jump into a much bigger conversation about satire, censorship, political correctness, and just how much the rules of comedy have changed.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Are we more thoughtful about what we joke about or have we just become afraid to take more risks? From the jokes that would never make it past a studio meeting today to the growing pressure creators feel to censor themselves, they explore what happens when comedy stops pushing buttons.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because sometimes the whole point of satire is to make us uncomfortable enough to laugh and then think about why we&rsquo;re laughing.&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Come laugh with us tis episode at Peterandphil.com&lt;\/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;\/p&gt;\n\">...<\/span><\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDuration___2I0Qb\">00:41:29<\/div>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeCreated___1zP5p\">September 03, 2026<\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      \n        <div class=\"styles__episodeFeedItem___1U6E2 \">\n          <span class=\"styles__isActiveEpisode___cXlB4\"><\/span>  \n          <a class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-btn podcast-list-link styles__episodeImage___tMifW\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Beyond-the-Degree-What-Makes-a-Veterinarian-Career-Ready-e3nq3nn\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" aria-label=\"Play Beyond the Degree: What Makes a Veterinarian Career-Ready?\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net\/staging\/podcast_uploaded_nologo\/10979350\/10979350-1762502955980-72d00f28093fb.jpg\" alt=\"Beyond the Degree: What Makes a Veterinarian Career-Ready?\">\n            <button class=\"styles__circle___1g-9u styles__white___372tQ styles__playButton___1Ivi4 styles__playButton___1uaGA\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"height: 31px; min-height: 31px; width: 31px; min-width: 31px; border-radius: 16px;\">\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-play-icon\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"-1 0 11 12\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\">\n        <rect width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M1 .81v10.38a.76.76 0 0 0 .75.75.67.67 0 0 0 .39-.12l8.42-5.18a.75.75 0 0 0 0-1.28L2.14.18a.75.75 0 0 0-1 .24.79.79 0 0 0-.14.39z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            \n    <svg class=\"jesaeip-episode-pause-icon\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"13\" height=\"13\" aria-label=\"pause icon\">\n        <rect x=\".03\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\"><\/rect>\n        <path d=\"M8.45 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .72.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75h-1.8a.75.75 0 0 1-.75-.75V.75A.75.75 0 0 1 8.45 0zM1.78 0h1.83a.75.75 0 0 1 .75.75v10.5a.75.75 0 0 1-.75.75H1.78a.76.76 0 0 1-.78-.75V.75A.76.76 0 0 1 1.78 0z\" fill=\"#282F36\"><\/path>\n    <\/svg>\n            <\/button>\n          <\/a>\n          <a class=\"podcast-list-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/peterandphil\/embed\/episodes\/Beyond-the-Degree-What-Makes-a-Veterinarian-Career-Ready-e3nq3nn\" target=\"jesaei_podcast_iframe\" data-audio-url=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/4209bf18\/podcast\/play\/124636343\/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-24%2F430404414-44100-2-5e35d3f7397e5.mp3\" aria-label=\"Beyond the Degree: What Makes a Veterinarian Career-Ready?\">\n            <div class=\"styles__episodeHeading___29q7v\">\n              <div>\n                <div>Beyond the Degree: What Makes a Veterin...<\/div>\n              <\/div>\n            <\/div>\n          <\/a>\n          <div class=\"styles__episodeDescription___C3oZg \">\n            <div class=\"styles__expander___1NNVb styles__expander--dark___3Qxhe\">\n              <div>\n                <div class=\"podcast-description\">In this episode, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip discuss the complex landscape of veterinary education, includ<span class=\"podcast-description-show-more-btn\" data-full-description=\"&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip discuss the complex landscape of veterinary education, including its mission, success metrics, and the challenges faced by students and professionals. 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